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孟晚舟保释听证会实录

加拿大孟晚舟法庭现场温哥华星报记者实录
全程转发当地媒体的现场记录并翻译。

新闻来源,加拿大方面的温哥华星报,这位记者和她的几位同事在今天法庭现场做了文字直播。
https://twitter.com/joannachiu
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/12/07/what-to-expect-at-wanzhou-mengs-bail-hearing.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1071089238999949312.html

具体详情自行阅读上述twitter页面和相关链接。庭审刚刚暂时结束,晚上她和她的同事还会有更多细节提供。
对一些有趣的地方简单翻译一下
Defense tells judge #MengWanzhou now has two valid passports: one Mainland China passport and one Hong Kong passport. She has a number of expired passports (unclear if from other countries). Meng was formerly a permanent resident of Canada, but this expired in 2009.
孟的律师告诉法官,孟持有一本中国大陆护照,一本香港护照,以及若干其它过期护照;她曾经是加拿大永久居民,但这个身份2009年过期了。

#MengWanzhou lawyer submits "typical family photos" as exhibits showing multiple visits to Vancouver and family home showing "consistent involvement of family in Vancouver life." "Here in a park... I haven't pointed Meng in everyone one of them but she's there..."

孟的律师出示许多家庭照片证实孟常年在温哥华有着家庭生活。

Multi-pronged argument from defense, who just said Meng has a completely clean criminal record at 46 years old. He also says she has complex health issues such as high blood pressure and sleep apnea. She is also prepared to give up two valid passports including one HK passport.

孟德律师表示孟身体不太好,有高血压和睡眠问题。她准备放弃她的两本有效护照,包括香港护照。

Breaking: Defense said #MengWanzhou had permanent resident status in Canada but had relinquished that status. Said she first visited Vancouver 15 years ago and PR status expired in 2009. She had a BC care card, ID and social insurance number.

孟的律师表明孟有加拿大永久居民身份但是已经放弃了。她15年前访问了温哥华,她的永久居民身份在2009年过期了。

Interesting that crown lawyer said in court that #MengWanzhou made "no trips (to the US) since March 2017", even though she used to visit frequently and she has a son attending school in Boston. Imagining that reporter colleagues in US will be seeking him out now.

律师说孟从2017年3月后就没有哪个访问过美国了;尽管过去她曾经很频繁的访问美国,而且她儿子在美国波士顿上学。

RT @Mui24hours #MengWanzhou lawyer says Meng and her husband purchased a home at 4005 W 28th Ave in Vancouver’s Dunbar neighbourhood at one point. Her husband and her have a 10 year old daughter together, she has three sons, 14, 16 and 20 from a previous marriage. #Huawei

孟的律师说她和她老公在温哥华买了一个房子,他们一共有四个孩子,一个女儿,三个儿子。方别为10,14,16,20岁。

In 2013, Reuters found that Meng served on the board of Skycom Tech, a company that offered to sell HP equipment to Iran. Can someone help dig up link to that article? Bit busy here 🙂
Breaking: Attorney general’s lawyer alleges #Huawei used an unofficial subsidiary, SkyCom, to facilitate transactions with Iran, which is against sanctions. #MengWanzhou had also denied the link between the entities when questioned by banks and “this is the alleged fraud”.
Lawyer says Reuters broke a story describing how #Huawei controlled #Skycom (which allegedly imported US manufacturing equipment into Iran). Meng personally denied to US banks and said Huawei engagement with SkyCom is normal business cooperation, and this is the crux of “fraud”.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-skycom/exclusive-huawei-cfo-linked-to-firm-that-offered-hp-gear-to-iran-idUSBRE90U0CC20130131

孟,华为,Skycom,惠普打印机,以及伊朗的关系。孟方对华为控制的Skycom与伊朗的这些事情表示否认,认为是正常的商业操作。

Main arguments from lawyer against granting #MengWanzhou bail: 1) No connection to this jurisdiction 2) “Access to vast resources and connections” 3) Pattern of avoiding the US after she was aware of criminal investigations. #Huawei
目前法庭方面拒绝主要保释的三点主要理由,其中之一是她在知道有针对她的犯罪调查后已经表现出来要避开美国(2017年3月后不再访问美国,尽管过去频频访问。)。

Breaking: lawyer for attorney general says in court the extradition request from US is for fraud offenses. This confirms unverified reports that this is the case. #Huawei #MengWanzhou there is an arrest warrant from the US.

法庭方面表示美国方面的引渡请求是关于fraud offense。

Defense now continually building up image of #MengWanzhou as someone who devoted her life to her company, #Huawei, since joining 25 years ago as a secretary. She's proud of the company's success ($92 billion gross revenue in 2017). Martin said she wouldn't throw this away.

孟的律师试图告知大家孟奉献了她的整个人生给华为。她为华为而骄傲。

Defense: "She would not ever breach a court order ... would be to humiliate and embarrass her father whom she loves. It would humiliate and embarrass #Huawei .. with its 180,000 employees around the world and given her prominence in China, she would not embarrass China itself."
Wow, Meng's defense lawyer David Martin just explained the doctrine of "face" in Chinese culture to the judge to argue that #MengWanzhou wouldn't skip bail because she wouldn't want to "embarrass her father whom she loves," and given her prominence, embarrass China as a whole.

孟方希望获得保释,并表示由于中国人的面子问题,她不会逃跑,因为她爱她的父亲。她不会让她的父亲难堪,考虑到她在中国的地位,她不会让中国难堪。

Judge says he will think about the proposed bail conditions over the weekend. #MengWanzhou defense will go into detail about the proposals on Monday. Court will adjourn at 10 am PST.
Defense says he's run out of time today. Judge requests a plan of what kind of bail conditions he is proposing. Martin hands over document with 12 conditions including stay at home, curfew, surrender all passports, risk mgmt, GPS, physical surveillance, consent to RCMP checks.

案子今天无法完全结束。周一还会再开庭。
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争论比较大的是孟女士国籍问题
根据加拿大法律,孟女士确实是中国公民;但是根据我国法律,略有争议。
中华人民共和国国籍法
第九条
定居外国的中国公民,自愿加入或取得外国国籍的,即自动丧失中国国籍。
第十三条
曾有过中国国籍的外国人,具有正当理由,可以申请恢复中国国籍;被批准恢复中国国籍的,不得再保留外国国籍。
第十四条
中国国籍的取得、丧失和恢复,除第九条规定的以外,必须办理申请手续。未满十八周岁的人,可由其父母或其他法定代理人代为办理申请。

可以理解为孟女士拿到加拿大绿卡的时候,已经自动丧失了中国国籍,如果后续拿不出2015年的申请恢复国籍书面证据的话,那她还真不是中国公民.

另外HK护照的问题,普通公民在HK拿到护照会提醒你注销内地户口.

另外普通中国公民即使没有注销内地户口,当你从HK返回大陆办理回乡证的时候,是需要强制销户的。

这女人同时拥有很多护照,违法无疑

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